214. How Tragedies Can Sometimes Unlock Our Higher Purpose with Suzanne Falter

Alrighty. Well, you know, let's just jump into this. So everybody, this is going to be, maybe jump right into this. I know Suzanne, I've worked with her before in a previous episode. She's awesome. And she's going to talk a lot about her journey with really just getting more focused on what's most important in life.

I'm going to let her We'll lead it more. We'll have all the bio stuff in there. She was slash is an amazing entrepreneur, but who may be perhaps, and she'll tell you more, got a little too serious with it, had some life stuff come up as it sometimes does. Uh, but rather than spawn it, I'm going to just welcome Suzanne.

And maybe if you just, Suzanne, if you don't mind, share a little bit about. The Before, and then just go from there. You know, again, we've talked before, there's a previous episode, by the way, if you really like structure and like how to, and the seven steps to do blah, blah, the other episode is even more of that.

This is more of, in a lot of ways, a hard tart. I think y'all are going to love this. So anyway, uh, really weird, non traditional entry or intro, but Suzanne, maybe you just share a little bit and I'm going to stop filming and let you talk.

Oh, I love that intro. And I especially like. Non traditional, because, um, I went from traditional to non traditional, and what happened was that I discovered happiness, and I discovered happiness through the greatest crisis of my life, which was, you know, pretty non traditional, right?

So, um, to begin at the beginning, ten years ago, I was a driven entrepreneur with a mid six figure business, uh, working as a, uh, Coach, a marketing coach for coaches and therapists, teaching people something called the Spiritual Marketing Quest. And I would do these big events with several hundred people in them and get up on the stage and sell 25, 000 coaching programs and sell them and sell a lot of them.

And uh, I thought that's what was, that was my highest goal. And I thought that was going to really make me happy. And in fact, Wade, it made me nuts. It made me so stressed out. It made me, um, forget who I was. It made me, uh, brutish, I would say, uh, somewhat of a bully to my staff. It made me feel like I was never scrambling fast enough or doing enough to keep up with my business because I was coaching eight hours a day.

I was completely burned out. And just to make the stress level higher, I was in a toxic relationship. Now I had given up my old life.

And moved from upstate New York to San Francisco and come out as a lesbian and redone my whole life two years prior. And, uh, for those previous two years I was booking it with this business. It was really working, it was taking off, I was partnered with a really Smart, good coach in San Francisco who I did this business with and, um, you know, we finally got to the point where we couldn't sustain it.

We just were burned out and we actually closed the business and walked away. That was July of 2012. In August, oh, oh, and in May of 2012, the toxic relationship, which I had just given up my apartment and moved for to live with this person, that ended. Two months after I moved in, so that suddenly fell apart.

So by the end of July of 2012, I had no business, no relationship, and no home because I had had to move out of this apartment. I was driving around the Bay area in my little car and, uh, had my stuff in storage and I was trying to figure out what. City I wanted to live in because I really didn't know the place.

All I'd done was work for the previous two years. And so I didn't even have a lot of friends. I just had kind of a big nothing. And, um, what happened next was that my 22 year old daughter, Teal, who had moved to the Bay Area to, um, join me out there just for an adventure. Well, she dropped dead from a medically unexplainable cardiac arrest.

And her death was the real thing that undid me. It was enough to lose all those other pieces. And I was already spinning in this You know, centrifugal whirl of things don't work, things don't work, what do I do, what do I do? And it all just started flying away. And then, Teal died. And I, by then, I was just totally alone.

And, you know, I had what I would call some really, uh, pretty profound spiritual experiences around the time of her death. that began to put me back on a track where I felt like the heart and soul of what I was doing was good. But it took me several years to get there, so I wrote a book about it, um, which I'll talk about in a little bit.

But the big thing, the big, you know, flashing sign that was coming up in front of me constantly was Values. Values. Values. What are your values? This was before Teal died. Now let me talk about her death. She was an epileptic, and her epilepsy was very well controlled with drugs, so we didn't ever think about it too much.

And the night of her collapse, uh, we actually went to dinner in North Beach in a little restaurant. And at that dinner, she was acting a little bit spacey. She was not totally present. She was really late, which was unusual for her. Um, and she didn't have much to say, and this was a very fun, bubbly, joyful, gregarious young woman, you know?

So, I didn't think about it much. I was completely in my own head at the time, very self involved, and I was going to meet another coach, as a matter of fact, uh, who was flying in from Vancouver, who was a dear old friend of mine, and we were going to spend the evening together, hanging out after dinner. So my mind was on that.

And, you know, I got a friend to give Teal a ride home, okay, fine, she's fine. Well. Two hours later, I get this call from San Francisco General Hospital that she's in critical condition, has had a cardiac arrest. And in fact, what had happened is she collapsed in a bathroom, alone, a locked bathroom, and for 15 to 30 minutes, she had no heartbeat.

That fries your brain. So her heart was actually restarted, which for reasons I'll share later is kind of a key piece of this story. So her heart was restarted, but she never regained consciousness. She remained in a coma. on life support. And six days later, they could finally look at her brain and they said, she, she can't live like this.

And we took her off life support and she died. That whole process. was massive wake up call. Just massive. I can't even tell you how shocking, how deep the grief and the loss is or was. But the incredible thing was, I, you know, I walk into her hospital room after I get to San Francisco General. And I'm standing there and she's all covered with all these, you know, wrappings and, you know, monitors beeping and machines going and people hovering around her trying to keep her alive.

And, um, I just had this profound knowing that she was going to die, that I was going to be dramatically changed by it, and that I would help other people as a result of her death, as a direct result of her death. And That is, in fact, what has happened over the years, but first, I knew, in that moment, I had to become a better person.

I had to stop worrying about the money. I had to stop fixating on how to maximize each moment of opportunity. How to, you know, I mean, I just was too driven, and you know, after her death, I read her journals. And there was something in her journals about how right before every quest, mom's kind of a B. I. T.

Fill in the rest of the letters, right? And, um, I really have to talk to her about this. And I thought, okay, there's lesson number one. You gotta stop being such a jerk to people. And, um, you know, lesson number two, for me, was that I felt very disconnected from what I was really here to do. I could make money.

Doing this marketing business. I had, you know, 12 years in ad agencies. I knew how to do this. But was it what I was really put here for? Is, Was this other work the thing I was really put here for and the other work? I didn't know what it was. I had no idea. In fact, I had a little business all ready to go that was called the Spiritual Diet.

And this shows you where I was at, because I had no idea what a spiritual diet actually was, but I knew those two words were like super big on SEO searches and would get a lot of hits. So I was like, okay, great, spiritual diet. I'll just come up with something. No, no, no, no, no. This is not how we serve people.

This, this is how we maybe make some money, but are we going to feel good when we wake up in the morning? Are we going to like ourselves in the middle of the night? I don't think so. So that's really what The Wake Up Call was for me. The Wake Up Call was about Living on my savings for a while, not working, slowing down, going within, and connecting to a deeper mission.

It took me a long time to find it, especially because I had a program in the hopper. I was ready to go with this thing. And, you know, what do you think I did? Well, of course, one month after the worst crisis of my life, I launched my program because I'm a hard worker and this is what you have to do. I had money in the bank.

I did not have to do this. And what do you think happened, Wade? Well, I'll tell you. I launched that program and, you know, pretty good registration. I think I got 20 people at a pretty high price point. I was pleased with that. And, uh, I, I said about, um, you know, I built this brand new learning management area and I go into the learning management area.

Well, suddenly the next morning, everybody's refunding and they're refunding because the learning management program is gone and it's gone because a hacker took it. A hacker broke into my site and dismantled the whole thing. Five times that week, the webmaster put it back and every time it was dismantled, no matter what we did.

The sixth time, the hacker's malware started to eat the webmaster's hard drive. So then I was like, okay, I surrender. I will not. I'm listening to you, great universal spirit in the sky who guides all businesses. I am not going to do this. I surrender. No business. No, not doing it. And, uh, from then on. I realized I wasn't going into any business unless I felt connected to real purpose and even to my spiritual guidance about it.

You know, I was teaching spiritual marketing and spiritual dieting and all these things, but I was about as spiritual as a pinky. You know, I was not a particularly spiritually oriented person. That's what's so very ironic because Teal. actually was. Teal was a very different sort of person and, um, she went around the world by the time she was 22 with her little guitar and her backpack and she had, um, played, she's, she was a blues singer and, um, she would, uh, pull out her travel guitar and play on the streets of, oh, I don't know, you know, Bangkok, Ghana.

All over the world. And, um, she loved people and she had no particular ambition. She just wanted to connect with the larger world, and she believed in oneness, and she believed that people were fundamentally good. And she really wanted to be a healer, which is why she came to San Francisco, and the day after her collapse, she was going to begin doing what she felt would train her to become a healer.

And, um, You know, it was, it was, uh, kind of became my mission, basically, to figure out how to convey some sort of healing work that would help me help other people. I was really trying to, uh, come up with a plan, and of course I was grieving. You know, when you're grieving, when you're grieving a great loss, part of your brain is disabled.

And it's the part that makes decisions, that understands what to do next, that has, you know, your executive function is shot. And, uh, so I, it was sort of like, I kept trying to run a race with a sprained ankle. I just couldn't really do it. And, um, you know, finally I had to just Surrender to my grief and allow myself to completely grieve, go offline.

I had a coach at the time, a business coach who just finally said, you're not allowed to do anything for the next month. And I was like, okay. And I didn't do anything for the next month, and then it became two months, and then it became two years. And I didn't do anything except take care of myself and work on becoming a better person.

And I read a lot of books, and I went to support groups, and I did some 12 step recovery. I did all kinds of stuff that I felt would help me get over this. lack of a soul for better or for worse. This, this idea that I was all about the money and that I wasn't able to treat people kindly. And in the process, I was led on this wild journey back to my own healing.

Um, the book, I started writing the book, uh, it's called Free Spirited, How My Daughter Healed Me from the Afterlife. Because I needed to really stop and record what was happening to me. And the crazy thing is, I thought I was going to write that book in a year. Well, actually, I worked on it for eight years because the story kept unfolding.

You know, five years after her death, for instance, or I guess it was three years after her death. We heard from the young woman who we had donated, we had donated her organs, so we heard from the young woman who got her heart and her kidney. And that young woman wrote us the most beautiful letter about Teal, about who she had become in her illness.

For eight years, she'd never been able to even go to college. She was 19, and she got sick from a virus that gave her congestive heart failure. Eight years she waited for that heart. And she finally got it. And suddenly, she had a whole new life. She could go to college. She could get a degree. She had big plans.

Now, let's see, that was about 2016

that we heard from her. And in 2017, I met her on the very beach where we scattered Teal's ashes. And it was just this kind of surreal experience, because here was somebody who just seemed like a thriving, normal, happy, young woman, and, crazily enough, uh, I Felt a little teal connection to her, but I felt really motherly towards her.

I remember emailing her, now be sure to bring your hat and your gloves. Now, this is somebody who'd grown up in Northern California, been there a lot longer than me, you know. And she was just a love. Her mom and I then You know, one of the things that tumbled out of this whole experience is I began, I've been a professional speaker for 25 years, and I was invited to start giving speeches about the experience of donating Teal's organs and connecting to her recipients, um, at various conferences, some of which were connected to you.

organ transplantation. And I was really speaking to the people who did that work. So then I connected with her mom and her mom and I became great buddies. And then we started doing those talks together. And the mom basically said, I can do the talks, but I may have to wear a diaper because I'll be so terrified.

And we, we got through it and she did great. She really did great. And I'm, I'm proud to say she's my friend to this day. We're very different people and it doesn't matter because we are connected through love and through compassion and through understanding that we all swim in the unified field of love.

That it's, there is this connection between all of us.

One of the things that You know, when people listen to this and again, you and I have done a different episode that's a little more tactical, you more speaking in the coach's voice as opposed to the sort of almost like more of the first person of it.

Um, but you know, it's interesting because there's so much to coaching and you're the first person I've ever heard of a certain level of experience. Say what I've said about the coaching profession for years, and I've been a coach for years, is that, you know, sometimes Coaches can be too persuasive. Um, sometimes, uh, there, there are situations where it can be tough when, you know, I remember, I remember one person who did marketing say, you know what, if you're good, he was a copywriter.

He said, well, if your stuff is good and it helps people, you have a moral obligation to get it into their hands. And it was kind of like, okay, it's kind of clever copy. In a way, it's like, I happen to believe you have an obligation to do your best to make them aware of it, to make them buy it. For me, I kind of draw the line there because I don't know their own situation.

Um, and yet I understand that. And what, what's so interesting to me about what you're saying is to your point, when, if you're in the coaching field, if you're in the marketing field, I'm in a little bit of both. There's this sense that the work in and itself will fulfill us and I find work can be very fulfilling and yet there's that idea that people will sometimes say, you know, whatever you would do if you had all the money in the world, that's your soul work.

And I've said, no, no, to me, that's your ideal lifestyle. That's not necessarily your soul work. Your soul work is, you know, would you get up at three in the morning to feed the baby even though nobody's paying you? Well, that might, you know, that might be something that's closer to your soul work or, or, you know, the journey even what's the stuff that you're like, okay, I can't get away from this.

I can't, can't get the course to run six times. The server crashes. I mean, like things that where you realize, okay, whether it's the entrepreneurial gods, whether there's a God, a universe, whatever it is, there's something going on here. And okay, that's not supposed to be. And specifically, and I'm sure you know this.

Today, a 25, 000 program is one thing, and that's almost the soup du jour with some people or the 10 to 25, everything's 10, 000 to 25, 000, but we're talking in 2023, you're talking a good 10, 12 years ago when even that 25 and just even mathematical cost of living, that's like 60, 70, 80 today, depending on the exact numbers you use.

And, and even then it was less of a thing. And so, and then also, as you and I both know, coaching eight hours per day, somebody who doesn't know the field might say, well, you do anything for eight hours a day. Coaching three to four clients, three to four hours to me, if I'm fully in. You know, that's all I can do.

I do at most two of these interviews in a day. I've made the mistake a couple of times where I've had three podcast interviews where like say I gave two, or I mean, I, you know, I hosted two and then was on one. I didn't, it's like, Oh, it's easier to be on one. And it's like, well, no, that takes a lot too. And so I just think just all of it.

And it's, you already mentioned it, which I think was so great about the idea about what are your values that even before, cause somebody could say, and I guess what I'm trying to do is bring this all to the person who said, well, you know, my daughter didn't die. So now I can't. Uh, you know, resonate with what Suzanne's saying.

It's like, well, hold on, even before that tragedy happened, there's, well, okay, there's already writing on the wall that other things aren't working and the things that we're being told, and even as coaches, and there's so much that can be noble about the coaching profession. And yet that whole idea, I just always think of the movie, The Devil's Advocate, if you've ever seen it.

Um, and at the end where long story short without spoiling it. the character kind of gets caught back in the loop. Like he's right back at the beginning of the whole movie in one way. I won't go into the whole details of it, but Al Pacino's who plays the devil says something to Keanu Reeves. And all of a sudden you realize he learned everything, but he learned nothing.

He's right back to

square one. Right, right, right. Okay. So I want to say something about this because your points are so great. After Teal died, I started writing all these Facebook posts. Remember, we all used to write Facebook posts. Well, this was really, they wrote these really long form ones, and I've been a writer for, you know, now 40 plus years, so it was easy for me.

I wrote one about the shame I felt from what I thought was overcharging for something that was not my soul work. It was hugely popular, became viral because nobody was talking about this at the time and there were heavy, heavy people in the coaches marketing space commenting on it and kind of like, whoa, you know, wait a minute, what?

You know, and protesting and it just started this little storm. And that was 2010. No, that was 2012. I realized that there were people I had coached in my marketing business. Before the Spiritual Marketing Quest where I was just helping people brand and set up their businesses and choose their offers and such.

Um, and by the way, I do not do that work anymore and have not since 2012, but at the time I was doing it, I coached a well known coach because we went on a walk and she said to me, How can I earn 10, 000 a month? This was somebody who was just starting and I told her my best shot. And before I knew it, she had a 5 million business and was charging 150, 000 for her coaching program and suggesting people mortgage their homes.

That's wrong. That's what we're talking about. I'm not against people earning lots of money, but please understand the power of how you are impacting people. I think a lot of people were able to make money from, from that kind of coaching and What about their mortgage? What about their equity in their home?

What about their retirement plan? What about the fact that maybe they didn't all stash it away? You know, um, I remember there was a popular mark, uh, uh, um, guy who, at the time, who was teaching people how to make more money. And, um, I, I got to know him personally, and he suggested that the book to follow was something written, um, called The Art of Persuasion.

And this had been written many decades earlier. Maybe you've heard about this book. But it was basically about seduction. And here were coaches who were emotionally available, sensitive people who were being Brought forth as sort of sacrificial lambs, if you will, because they're so open and trusting and had gamely gone into this profession, believing they were here to help people, but really a lot of them not so skilled with the marketing and here's this Internet marketing was a whole new thing.

Then we didn't have, you know, insta reels and lives and all that kind of stuff. We just had, you know, good old Facebook and Twitter and, you know, all of this. um, question in the air about how to actually effectively share the sole mission you have. And people, the thing that made people really vulnerable is they felt so deeply their mission that they, they were convinced, Oh yeah, I just have to get the right program.

The big illusion is that we have these goals and the goals are going to make us happy and we're just going to be awesome. And it's all going to be just the way we want it. But really, in real lived experience, what makes us happy is often quite surprising and our body is telling us. You know, Teal did a lot of writing in her journal about tuning into your body.

Also being, be and you know, she wrote that phrase on many pages in her journals. And the idea is that you drop into your body and you listen to your body, you put your hands on your heart, you know, you lie down and you put your hands on your gut and you ask yourself. What do I need right now? What would make me feel safe right now?

What's my next right thing? And then you do it. And often it isn't this big overwrought thing, you know? We are, we have been designed to deliver greatness for ourselves and for other people. But we don't tap into that power because we think it's all coming from here, from our heads. But it's actually coming from our hearts and our souls and our entire bodies.

They are beautifully calibrated instruments that we don't treat with enough respect. We don't, we don't treat them in a healthy way often or, or if we do, we just sort of live from the neck up and only act on our ideas. We ignore the gut feelings we have or our emotional, uh, reactions to things. Now you coaches are a very, uh, emotionally intelligent group.

But living with, uh, full awareness and the willingness to go back to something very basic and small and, uh, let go of the clients that don't work for you, that make you feel bad, that make you feel controlled and manipulated and you're hanging on to them because you think you need the income, letting go of, uh, the idea that you have to have a certain, you know, big, you know, nut every month.

What if you just felt into what was really right? And you ask the universe or God or whoever you acknowledge to guide you towards the next right thing. That's really what it's about. It's about detaching from some of our own best ideas, really, and being more in flow, in presence, and just being.

Awesome.

Yeah, and that's, that's been my experience. So, you know, just so you'll know, so when we got to the beginning of this interview, Suzanne's like, okay, so how, how woo woo are we going with this? And I said, well, I said, I'm, I'm good with wherever, because I've, I've written books about listening to, you know, listening to guidance from the divine and that sort of stuff.

And, and again, I can't prove it, but it works for me. Uh, so for some of y'all, this will resonate. Some of y'all, maybe, maybe this doesn't, but I can say this, and you know, I've not had the experiences that you've had, Suzanne, but I've had my experiences. I'm 51. I've been on the planet a little bit. And for me, that's been the toughest thing is the idea of having experienced enough times, 23 years now as an entrepreneur.

And I genuinely feel blessed. It's what do you say? People are like, Oh, hashtag blessed. Now he's BSing. No, I really, I know I'm not this smart. I'm not this smart. Cause I've made really stupid mistakes. I've lost truckloads of money on really stupid stuff. I'm blessed. I have parents that support me. And yet.

Most of the times my, my software business that has generated 60, 70 percent of my income over the last 20 plus years, that was me listening to one client. It's not what I wanted to do. It's so aligned with my talents. It's so flows for me. And actually when I do the work, it's very meditative for me. I don't.

And so there's just certain things that I've just found. Okay. Can I get out of my own way? Can I listen? Can I connect? And the way I'd say, you know, can you keep clear that connection and just be open? To, to hearing the worst things I've ever said to people is when I'm not that, the, you know, the worst decisions is either when I'm fatigued or I'm not, and yet when I'm centered, um, anything I have, in my case, my addiction is, is a minor one.

It's sugar and just, you know, I, I, I don't have that when I'm connected. And I've talked with other people who've had, you know, more serious addiction and say, Wade, when I'm connected with whatever that thing is, I don't have those issues. And so as much as some people will sometimes dismiss them, I can tell you that my experience aligns and I also feel like I'm trying to give a testimony as if, as if what you're saying is not powerful enough, but so much of it that I've just found, look, the money's good.

But I guess what I'm hoping for those of y'all who are listening, we'll, we'll just hear the idea of keep that balance. And maybe speak to that. So what is that balance? So now, you know, you've not shunned off the world. You're not living in a cave somewhere. You're still using technology. So this is not one of those.

Okay. She left. And then she said the whole world's wrong and, and forget them all. And what does it look like now? And what does it feel like to now? It sounds like you've come back more on your terms. And yet, at the same time, kind of on whoever's or whatever's turns by being open to not thinking that Suzanne has to run everything.

Well, that's right. And that's a beautiful way to put it. I really like that. The way my life looks now is I'm, as I said, abundant. I'm happy. I got my resources covered. Just found out I don't have to work anymore if I don't want to. But it turns out I want to, which is a great, it's a great, um, testament to, uh, being able to tune in and look at your resources and being able to let go if you need to let go.

And, you know, um, my life is simpler. I think the pandemic did us a gift there by giving us the opportunity to reconnect with ourselves, our families, um, our homes, our loved ones. And all of that is very strong for me. Um, you know, I have floated into, and I really say floated because it really wasn't like a going out, getting it, you know, hammering it down, trying to make it happen.

Um, coaching practice, which has been, um, you know, slowly building. But like I said, it's like, I'm not, I'm not working with anybody I don't want to work with. And I'm not going to. do any kind of coaching I don't want to do. Uh, it was interesting with the fiction. I mentioned that for eight years I wrote fiction for an investor and that was how I made my living, which I never would have expected.

I was approached by this person and offered this gig and I wrote eight novels. And, you know, I had published a novel with Random House many years prior, and this person had remembered it, and they really loved it, and they wanted me to write some more. And I had a lot of fun doing that. And then one, one day, it was like, I'm not having fun anymore.

Novel number nine, it's not working for me. And my agent couldn't really get behind it, and, and he called me up, and he was like, I think we're done. And I, you know, and I said, yeah. Yeah, it'll be fine. And I had no idea where the income would come from after that, and that was actually nine months ago, and, you know, everything I've developed has just been since then, but it's what feel feels right.

It's what I feel I know how to do. It's what I. Actually, I learned so much about being disconnected from yourself and not having the power of your values working for you that when I got in touch with what those values are and how to get back in touch with them, that made me really feel like I had something to say on that subject.

And now the world interestingly, is in a place where we need values coaching! We need, we need to reconnect and be in what Thiel called the unified field of love. We need to get back there and we know it and the opportunity is coming because all of the structure and split and divisiveness in this world, um, is pushing us to a place where it's just becoming unsustainable and we know it.

and it's going to change. And I, and I really believe that. And I'm, um, kind of riding out ahead of the wave is how I see it. And, uh, you know, like I said, it's a fulfilling, abundant life. I've got this crazy little dog that I spend a fair amount of time taking care of. And I'm a puppy mom, you know, and, and, uh, we have a lot of fun with that and life goes on.

And, and I got my book. I'm launching the book and the book has been, um, a great joy.

Yeah. And so I was going to say, so if you'd share with people a little bit about, um, the book is called Free Spirited, uh, share a little bit about that. And I, correct me if I'm wrong. It is out now. I know you and I were talking,

it's, no, it's out now.

It's in a ebook, paperback and audio book. Uh, It's, it's, uh, called Free Spirited and if you go to Amazon and type in Free Spirited Falter, F A L T E R, which is my last name, you will, uh, be able to get ahold of it. And, um, my website is SuzanneFalter. com. You can learn more about me and what I'm up to, and you're all welcome to drop by.

Awesome. so much, Suzanne. This is, you know, it, it, I find it's, it's so rare to find somebody who has been somewhere. that they set out to be. So they got that level of success and then have come back and do something different and choose something different and maybe it is something that happens that wasn't the way they want, usually in some way, at the very least, if there's not a tragedy, there's disillusionment, there's, I happen to believe that's part of why, you know, some of your highest income earners on the planet have such a hard time because many other people are saying, well, when I make that money, I'll be happy.

And they're still living in that hope. And somewhere there's these people like, no, I've been there. And that was my last hope and, and now it's not that. And so I just think it's so awesome. And you know, what I take from what you're saying, which is again, I've been blessed to see some of this, but you're reaffirming it for me is like, if every day you enjoy.

And you don't get exactly where you thought you were going to go or where you think you should go or where somebody thinks you should go, but you're enjoying that day and you're present and you're available, you know, and engaging, connected to what's in front of you and the gifts and the people and all the things that are around you, whatever you want to call that, you want to call that tree hugger, you want to call that woo woo, you want to call that blissing out.

There's still something to that and there's still something to the idea that I've still never heard anybody say, I wish I'd worked more. Doesn't mean our work's bad. I think our work is necessary and it's part of what we contribute. But um, what would be your final thoughts on that? Oh, I, I just think, I mean, we're not, we're not trying to take you out forever, not your career thoughts.

Like your final thoughts for the interview. That sounds

really deep. Thanks for clarifying, Wade. My final thoughts are that where you are exactly right now is just what's meant to be and you may not like the results, but that too is just what's meant to be. And if you can allow yourself to surrender to the lesson in the moment, every moment is a lesson.

And my beautiful Teal wrote that in her journal and I know it to be true.

That's, that's so awesome. Thank you so much. Again, we'll have the links. If you're listening, you can get them in the podcast episode or on the videos. As always, I look forward to helping you all just get in touch with what makes you happiest.

And the way I word is say, you know, create more impact, help more people, make more money, do what you do best so you can fully enjoy your family, your friends, your freedom, and this wonderful thing called life. Thanks so much for listening.