Hey there. Hi, how are you? Good. I am stoked this is very cool. Some of my volleyball friends are geeking out that I'm interviewing you. So that's really cool. So Holly is a an amazing beach volleyball player, amazing volleyball player, amazing athlete, and got to know her just a little bit in the last few months and have watched you play such a fan of what you bring to the game, your commitment. I imagine that's what you bring to life, a commitment to excellence and just being awesome and being supportive of people. I've watched the people you've played with. So so, yeah. So first of all, so thank you for joining us. Thank you for being here. And for those who don't know, you're about to get a really, really, really awesome treat just for those who aren't aren't aware of that. Just just letting you know. Thank you. So what I want to do, and I asked you to share something and you know, from what I can tell, looking at what you've done, not only of yours, have you been successful as an athlete? And I'm going to do the short version. I'll let you talk about it more. But I know you've earned an Olympic medal. I know you've been earned so many honors as one of the top beach volleyball players in the world. You've earned collegiate honors. What was it? And at any point, feel free to just weave in which parts you've done it. This is a bad woman here, just just so you know, this is this is just one of to have this conversation about you having this life that is not perfect, but seems to be what I asked you. Would you speak on this topic of creating an amazing life with no regrets by persistently pursuing your dreams? And it's a bit of a mouthful, but it was the quickest way I could define what I think it is that you do. What did it feel like when you first started playing volleyball and when did you realize you were passionate about that? Because I think that's that seems to be something that's really instrumental what you do. You don't seem to do things halfway from what I can tell and even from interacting with you, even preparing for this. Yes. So what was it like when you started and how did you know you were passionate about that? Well, good morning. I am I grew up in a very competitive family, and I was fortunate enough to have a twin brother and a younger sister and a competitive mom and dad. We competed at whatever we did. So it was just natural that on the weekends when we went down to play volleyball, that it was game on. That's just how I was from an early age, no matter what sport, peewee soccer, I love to compete. So I knew that sports were for me because I was a super shy kid. But as soon as I played sports, boom, I was confident I could dominate. And it was just something that gave me a lot of pleasure. I liked watching sports. I like playing all types of sports. So from an early age, it was something that I knew made me happy. Seventh grade is when I decided to play indoor volleyball is playing club soccer. Indoor volleyball kind of did that for a while and then chose indoor volleyball as a vehicle to earn a scholarship to college. And that was really important for me. So kind of all started there and just snowballed and grew and I put a lot of work into it. What was it that led you to decide you wanted to be great? Was it just this is just default. This is what we do. We use the word dominate. You know, is that just like I'm only doing it this way or no other way at all? You know, I don't know, I just kind of I'm wired that way if I have an opportunity, I want to make the best of it. And I saw opportunities through sports and I had great coaches along the way who kind of mentored taught me about the discipline and the determination that it took to really maximize what you had. I'm not the biggest athlete. I'm undersized, but I could outwork anybody. And I had athletic talents like I wasn't athletic. I had athletic talent. But five, six and three quarters. I'm competing against girls that are six feet and some bigger. So I had to outwork them, outsmart them and figure out ways to maximize the abilities that I had. Awesome. One of the things that I've got an. From a sense of from talking with you is you seem to enjoy the work, a lot of people talk these days about hustling and grinding, but they say it like like, OK, I want my badge now. Like, do I get my husband being, like the Girl Scouts or something like like like you should be so grateful that I worked hard. And some people call that entitlements. I mean, there's a lot of different words for it, but it doesn't seem like you have that. It seems you seem to enjoy that. Yeah. Oh, I love the hard work that goes into it. I just I mean, you get out of something what you put into it. I did like boot camp this morning and my instructor was yelling that at me all morning. But I agree with it. You know, as a professional athlete, I didn't have somebody driving my career. Nobody even thought I could win a tournament. I had no money. I had nothing to fund my career. So I had to work at a restaurant, earn money so I could buy a ticket to go compete. So I had to put energy into making the most of what I had. And I love the grind. And people a lot of pro athletes don't like the gym. I love the gym. I loved going to practice as now I'm retired. I miss practice. I miss the hard work. Just leaving the beach exhausted, covered in sand, knowing that I've put all that effort into being the best that I can be. I love that. So maybe I'm weird, but that's how I am. And I think when you love what you do, it makes that a lot easier to put that work in. Yeah, I mean, in two things there, for those who don't know the world, I, I dabbled in beach volleyball, but, you know, for those who don't I mean, this is a world it's kind of the closest analogy might be tennis or golf. You're you're your own person. You've got to get your butt there. You've got to you're nobody's like paying your way. And then beach volleyball. Gosh, even when you're at the top of it and you were the first woman to win her over a million dollars in prizes, that's still was like very rare, like a very small percentage of people. And that was over. That wasn't in a year. That wasn't in one tournament like golf. That was it was a longer thing. One of the things I think I'm catching here, though, is you seem to get that connection. There's a book by Steven Pressfield called The War of Art. I love it. And he talks about this thing called territory that when you put in your time that territory. I love you writing that down. That's great. Oh, I like. Yeah, but he just talks about like there's no luck like you put in the time and territory pays you back like and he uses it in a different word of the meaning. So like when I watch for example, I love, I love playing the drums with headphones on really loudly and pretending that I sound like the other drummer for whatever reason. I don't want to put in the work there. I do love putting it with volleyball, but the people that are the best in the world, they do. It's not a mistake. Even if they're tall, even if they're Shaquille O'Neal and they're taller than you and I both involved. But you can be tall and be goofy is how can be totally taken off the court very shortly. But you seem to understand that connection. And so. It's almost like something that says, you know, I'm putting money in my in my mutual fund because I know it's going to grow. And so I'm not excited about the fact that I don't get to go, you know, use the money to go buy myself a toy. I mean, that'd be great if I could do both. But I so want that money to grow or I so want that payoff. Where did you get that? Was it from your mentors or am I even writing what I'm saying that I mean, is it you? Because you seem to understand there's causation there, which a lot of people don't feel the causation. So if you at people that don't work out, it's not going to make a difference. You seem to be very clear on that. I'm curious, how did you get that? I think I put in hard work and I saw results, so I just trial and error. I had to if I didn't, there were going to be no results, you know, and there's a lot of people who try and don't succeed. I also studied the successful people. I'm like, what are they doing that I'm not doing? And what can I do better? It's funny because after I started winning, I would see the young players and they'd be going out to the bars and doing stuff instead of staying at the tournament watching to see what the top players are doing. What are they doing that I'm not doing? They're like, hey, this is a great time. We're on the beach. We're in Chicago, we're in Florida, we're in Texas. And they didn't understand that. They weren't doing all they could do to be great. And, you know, I for some reason figured that out. I don't know. I was smart, I was observant. And so I figured that out early, which I'm grateful for because I think it affects your whole life. And, you know, as in anything you do, you want to always keep learning. I never act like I know it all. I coach all the time, but I can still get be a better coach and I can still study and improve all my skills. So you never, never can settle and stop learning. That's awesome, because I think it's one of my questions is going to be which you seem to pretty much kind of all the answers, where did you and how did you find the confidence to believe you could be world class? Because I think that's something people seem to some people seem to need permission for. Somebody tell them, hey, you can be world class and like, OK, thank you. As if again, it's something and you seem to say, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going I'm just going to do this because because I can or because not so much. I'm going to die trying. And that might have been for me, it was it was it was it that desperation was just I mean, it sounds like it was fun for you. It is fun. Oh, nobody said I could be world class. Nobody nobody said I could win anything. So I had a chip on my shoulder. I had a lot to prove and it was fun proving people wrong. I did it for myself, but it was you know, that was the side effect and it was fun. But yeah. Yeah. I mean, you see these athletes come out. Oh, they can be amazing. I'm like, OK, whatever potential. You know, a lot of people don't do anything with potential and people tell them that their whole lives and that maybe that's a lot of pressure on them. Nobody told me that. I just was like, OK, I'm grinding and I'm going to be the best I could be. Did I ever think I could be the best in the world? Probably not when I first started, but as I gained confidence and started winning and then I was like, wow, I can really take this to the next level. And, you know, it was a super fun process. There's a lot of a lot of hard work, but I loved every second of it. That is so awesome. What are some of the lessons that if someone asked you, you know, I know you've had a lot of mentors that really inspired you in different ways, or were some of the things that you didn't bring to the table that you said, no, this person taught me this, and that was something that made a huge shift for me. I'm. I you know, I'm not really sure what it was, because I was kind of shaped by all sorts of different situations. You know, through sports, I think high school, my high school volleyball coach was the first, like, super structured environment, you couldn't be a one minute late. You could never miss a practice. You had to be all. And there was no excuses. Everybody treated equally. And I like that. I learned that I really thrive in a disciplined environment where the expectations are the same for everybody and not somebody gets special treatment here or special treatment they're in. The same thing actually happened at UCLA, too, when I played. But in between there, I went to Cal Berkeley for a few years and it was not like that at all and it was not a fun environment for me on the volleyball team. I love the school, but it was not the right fit for me sports wise because it was like, oh, optional practice. So it's OK if you're a little late, you have a stomach ache, you can sit up. I mean, you, UCLA and customizer, that wasn't allowed. So there were no excuses. And when there are no excuses, you know, I think things get real. And I like that. I like the no excuses. I don't want to make excuses for anything. Very cool. A lot of people, when they talk about kids being athletes, there's the side you and I talked a little about this, too. You know, the pressure from the parents, there can be a lot of things that aren't so good. And a lot of people get really focused sometimes on or the kid missed out on this or missed out on that. But I'm imagining there's things that you got instead. What would you say, you know, for that person that's saying, you know what, I want to do this, but now the world's tell me I'm going to miss out on my childhood or something. What would you say to somebody saying, you know what, I'm thinking of going for it? What did you get and what and what did you have to give up? You might say, yeah, Wade. I gave up certain things. I gave up, like you mentioned. You know, again, I'm going to bars to parties because I was on the court watching what were the trade offs for you and how did that play out? Cos, you know, because it was something I wanted, I didn't feel like I was sacrificing anything. I mean, this is what I wanted. Did I miss a couple of parties? Yeah, but who cares? I was achieving and going for my dreams, so I really don't feel like I had to sacrifice much. You know, I missed a couple family activities and whatever because I was traveling around the world, but it was what I wanted to do. And so I really don't feel like I sacrificed much. That's it's interesting because I know. In this whole 3-Day Weekend thing I've been doing when I first started it was to get away from some of the work, which was a very different motivation than moving towards something. And I feel like I'm giving up this. I'm giving up that. And as I've gotten more into doing work that I enjoy doing it just. I might miss something, but to your point, yeah, I don't I don't feel like I'm missing because I feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be. And again, it might not be at three days, everybody might be their a different thing. You mentioned you started seeing results and that was sort of feeding the feedback loop. How did that affect your personal life and your attitude and your commitment to be even better when you started seeing the success? I think I was more confident. I think, you know, first of all, improving is addicting. I mean, seeing improvement, seeing results, it's like, wow, I'm hooked. It makes sense. And I think it gave me confidence off the court, too. I was so shy as a kid on my God even in high school, maybe even in college, I had to do an interview. I was terrified because I was very comfortable on the court. But off the court, I was just like, oh gosh, I have to give an interview. You know, it was not good. And now, you know, I work on TV in front of a camera. I'm OK with that. It's not a problem, but it's also getting outside your comfort zone. And that's important to be, you know, getting outside your comfort zone and pushing the limits because. At one point, I was number one in the world, and this man who was a legend in the sport came up and and I didn't really know him and he didn't have great people skills. And he told me that, oh, that's how you play. If you don't move your feet, you don't do this news very critical. And I was like. I don't like that man, and my husband was like, I just give him a chance, maybe as a point, maybe there's some somewhere he can help you in your game. And I was like, I don't think so. But a couple times later, I met with him and we we we actually grew to love one another and respect one another. I used him as a coach later on in life, but he really rubbed me the wrong way at the beginning and put like I'm the best in the world. Why are you telling me that? And, you know, my husband actually made me realize that, hey, maybe he does have something to offer. And I like that. My husband likes to push me. He's very good at doing that, kind of making me uncomfortable. My entire athletic phrase like, what are you going to do after sports? You know, I'm like, I'm all in right now. I can't think about that. And I it's true. I was like, all in I didn't even want to think about what I was going to do after. So I have to give my my husband a lot of credit. Wow, that's awesome. I notice a lot of success, people I work with, they have something that allows them to be all in and looks at the big picture because they'll say, I can't do both. And I think see some people that don't have that person so they can't see I'm in. But, you know, small picture, big picture, as opposed to be able to have that. What have you learned about, you know? Well, for those listening on a beach volleyball, you choose your partner. So unlike other sports where, you know, you're on a team and you get traded or this or that, beach volleyball is not like that. It's very as you know, it's hierarchical in the sense of a natural selection. If you're great, better people can ask you to play that sort of stuff. Once you reach the top, though, you and I have both seen this, some people, you know, there's the types that just yell at their partner, they're on their partner, and there's those that figure out how to motivate their partner. And then, of course, it depends on the part of some people do respond well to being yelled at or pushed. Some don't. What have you learned about working with people in the partners that you'd say serves you today as far as being able to stand? Not necessarily how to coddle somebody or just compliment them or not how to just berate them, but the subtle skills of being able to get the most from people. I learned a lot, so it's interesting because I coached young athletes, I own a beach volleyball club, a beach volleyball in Manhattan Beach, and a lot of the girls are like, oh, I can't get a partner. I'm like, here's what you do. You get somebody who you think is decent and you go out and you beat everybody else. And I guarantee you they want to play with you because nobody would play with me. Nobody. And I mean, I remember all these women like turning me down. And I was like, you know what I mean? I was like on a mission. And once I did, partner just fell into line and I would win with whoever I played with did not matter. And so I got very good at playing with different kinds of players, figuring out what motivated them, what I had to do with my game to make them better. It wasn't always the same thing. My one demand or or I guess request of a partner was that they gave one hundred percent. I was a demanding partner because I wanted to be the best. And if you're not going to put in the work then and don't want to win like I do, then you're not the partner for me. But there are plenty of people who did want to learn and compete and be at the highest level. But I think playing with a partner and learning to make them better was probably one of the best skills that I learned in that situation. And I think I can, you know, apply to anything you do. I see a lot of head coaches and school programs. They they hire an assistant coach is the same. Is that. No, you need somebody who complements you, who brings what you don't have. And I see it all the time. It drives me crazy. I'm like, don't you realize what you need to to make you a better coach? And people don't see that. Well, I think it goes back to that thing, you know, indoors, as you know so well. You know, the center position. I remember I asked somebody, you know, when I started learning indoor, I grew up playing on the beach. You know, one of the first things I asked, well, you know, what's the center position like? Your job is to make the hitter successful. That's it. That's the definition of your job. That's whatever it takes to look like that. That's your job. And in beach, it's like, do you want another person? Especially like, you know, the king of the beach format tournament where you switch partners. And and the nature of it is, you know, people say, well, this person didn't play well. I mean, it's like but see, that's the whole part of the challenge. And that's what business is like. That's what so much of life is like. And yeah, I totally love that dynamic. And I think it's so much the things once you start doing stuff well, all of a sudden, you know, it's the whole thing of making yourself the person that people want to be around rather than looking for somebody who's going to entertain you or want to be around. Well, and I was the center indoors, so I learned that indoors. I'm like, not only was I was trying to make my hitters better, you're kind of a little bit of a counselor, psychologist trying to figure out, hey, what do they need to hear to make them play at their best level. So, you know, you I've learned that as a setter all the way through indoors. And I think I got good at figuring out each hitter needs something different. Some hitters don't want positive feedback. They just like sat me the ball, whatever. It doesn't matter. And some needed, hey, we're going to run this. I'm going to set you the ball. Be ready. You know, they needed a pep talk, so you just kind of figured that out. And again, that's I see that in my job all the time. And whatever I do, I think that's that's that's so where I. I remember a friend of mine is a setter. You to get mad. There was a guy we played one small, big, huge guy and he beat the heck out of the ball. But he needed validation is the simplest way to put it. And so, you know, my friends, those can play him like, you know, it's your job. Don't I just love it because he like the guy that was just like, you know, I hit the job. I turn around, like, of course that's expected. That's what's supposed to happen. But I think, again, like in anything else, that's something, you know, we've learned, gosh, from having two children. Anybody I know that's had two children says, OK, there's at least some biology going on here. It's not all environment because one comes out ready to do a one comes out. The range would be probably something in your family, you know, your brother and and that sort of stuff of just realizing, yeah, people are different. And I think it's so awesome that your husband pointed out to you, you know, when you got that feedback and just say, look, what can I take from that and do with that? What are you most proud of as an athlete? Well, I think I'm proud of the fact that I worked my tail off and maximized what I was given. I worked so hard, I took advantage of a lot of my opportunities. I mean, you know, when you have opportunities and to, like, meet with sponsors and help give back to the sport and help grow the sport, it's important to do so. You know, I had to get involved with some of the politics of the sport, which I didn't want to. But as a leader, you have to stand up and say, look, this is what's right. But I think, you know. The work, the approach and the opportunities that I got to experience because of my support, I'm really grateful and I feel like I took advantage of them. I didn't ignore them. I got to travel all over the world. And actually the first part of my professional career, I was like, boom, blinders on. I'm only here to play second part. I'm like, you know what? I'm in Switzerland. I'm going to go ride a bike through the Alps, go do an alpine coaster, do some cool stuff and really enjoy it. And later in life, I felt like I was more holistic. It was it was a healthier thing because when it was just blinders on, just how I did in the tournament, if volleyball didn't go well, I was miserable, you know, and sometimes you have enough tournament. But when I kind of opened up my my mind to enjoying where I was and enjoying the people around me, I think I was a little bit more balanced and healthier. That's awesome. It's funny. It really addresses to the question it's going to happen. So either what do you what would you have done differently or how did it evolve? But it sounds like you got to enjoy a few different phases, like a few different Holli's, if you will, of or of your approach being a different person in relationship to the experience of it, especially, I guess, with your husband in your ear telling you about what's coming next or what you'd have to think about. How would you say that you've taken all of that success and by the way, for those listening again to be really clear, resume sheet, very long, lots of accomplishments. And I just love your answer that you did the most with what you had and like that sense of like I did my job. I did what I could do. I could look at anybody in the eye and say, yeah, I did what I was capable of, which I think so many athletes today. I see that in the kids I coach. And I'm confident you see it as well as that sense of I did my best. And I think that's like that's all that my kids, my that's all I want you I want you to have that for me. I want you to have that experience for you where you're like, yes, and I might have won or I might have lost, but I did what I could to maximize myself. Last gosh, last week, one of the girls were coaching. She came, my coach wants me to jump serve. Said, OK, so we'll jump floater. This touches like OK, so we within a week and another practice I'm like, OK, I want you to hit it. Basically a topspin serve the left side. And I didn't explain to me, I said I just want you to hit it there and I want you to. And she did it in the light. The look in her eyes. I know you've seen this like. Wow, like the coolest thing, and I'm like that that is so priceless. That's like to me that's otherworldly. That's something that is so huge. How have you taken what you've done is a pro what you've learned and how do you then now as you coach young athletes and young professionals in that, how have you been able to bring that in? And what do you enjoy most about that? Well, a quick aside, because I think being a young woman, especially growing up in these times, there's so much pressure on you. But having sports, the relationships that the time demands, obviously the physical demands and in everything that comes with it can give somebody purpose, can give somebody confidence. I know that for me, I was not going to be deterred because I was focused on what I wanted to achieve. I was not going to let people treat me poorly because I was confident in myself and I know I deserve better. So I think these are some things that through sports, young people can learn. And I want our young athletes that I coach and mentor. I want them to feel good about themselves. And not all of them are going to get college scholarships. I wish they all could, but they can't. But I want them to know that they did everything they could to try and achieve that dream. And yes, some will come true, some won't. But knowing that you gave your best and tried to make it happen, I think a lot of confidence and good feelings, good vibes come from that and in in anything you do. I remember I was a hostess at a restaurant in high school. I mean, I wanted to do the best I could and learn and my boss and he would ask me to do things that I didn't want to do, you know, clean up this clean up. And I was like, OK, well, you know, I want to get paid. I want to make money and I want to do a good job. So I think, you know, through sports, you can learn a lot. And I think self-confidence is so important. And, you know, I think there's some crazy statistic like 80 percent of top female executives in Fortune. Five hundred are all former athletes at some point. And I think. We're unafraid to compete or unafraid to put it on the line, we're unafraid to do the hard work, we have to work with all sorts of different types of partners and teammates. How can we make everybody better? And I think working with other people's input is an important skill. So I think that's really served me well. And I think it can serve the young athletes that I coach and mentor well. So it's just kind of something that I'm trying to pay for it and explain to them. I think that's so awesome that you're bringing that. And it's funny, you know, the Danny is putting the chattier fortune estimated at ninety five percent of its Fortune 500 CEOs played sports well. So that's interesting. OK, so that's just men and women. You know, if you look at all the women in that in that I think it's 80 percent, which is awesome. But sports. Oh, yeah. And one of the things I love in one of my favorite things is when you when you play if you ever play coed volleyball, there's this can be this awkward moment. If you're the guy like, OK, should I hit the ball hard or not? And there's a certain type of female athlete that's like if you don't hit it hard at me, like we're going to have words, you're not here to patronize me. And that's something I think that's so awesome about, specifically the sport of even volleyball. I'm sure that, you know, I guess it probably in soccer and basketball, you have a little bit of that, too, of that stuff of being able to. Really work together, partnered together, but also the person says, yes, I'm up for the challenge. I think that's awesome. What do you love most about your life right now? I love. A lot of things about my life, I am a mother of a 10 year old, I had two stepsons who are now grown up and adults. I love taking them to school every day. I love picking them up. I mean, simple things. I love giving back to my sport and teaching young athletes how to play a sport that I love. I also feel like I mentor and counsel lots of parents because they don't want to be left out and they drama in terms of, oh, can we miss this tournament? Can we do this? So I feel like half my job is consulting parents, but the fun part is on the court helping these kids do great things and gain confidence in what they're doing. I really enjoy that. Awesome. Got a question from Debbie, curious if you had chose another sport other than volleyball, what would it have been? Soccer. I loved soccer and I was actually a better soccer player than I was a volleyball player. But at that time, there were not scholarships like there were volleyball. I mean, 12 full ride scholarships per division one school and soccer was like a partial here, professional there. So I had to make that decision because I needed a scholarship to go to college. Gotcha. What do you most hope to achieve with your work? I want to do something that I love and I want to help people. It's funny because you and I have talked about this mighty networks thing and I'm on the fence about two different communities or two different things that I want to do and I haven't been able to decide. But there are two things that I love to do, and that's really important to me, doing something that I love. That's awesome. What do you enjoy doing most with your free time? I love traveling with my family. I love cooking, I love, you know, just, you know, being with my family. I just spent five days in Napa Valley. We ate great food. We drank a great wine and horseback riding and hiking. I love that we're going to hopefully to Europe in August if things open up. But I really enjoyed travel. Travel is one of my passions. And when I travel, I love exploring, exploring new places, seeing new things and then doing things I've never done before. We went to Xi'an in the fall canyon, hiked in the narrows, did things that I'm not super comfortable doing, but it was amazing and I'll never forget him. Neither will my 10 year old son. I mean, these are memories for a lifetime. Does he need another toy? No, he loves books. He's not an athlete. He loves reading. But these memories will last forever. And to me, memories with loved ones and experiencing new things. That's that's what I'm passionate about. Awesome. And then last question. What advice do you have for other people who either have not started moving towards their dream or not thought about their dream or considering giving up on their dream or thinking I'm one of those people that there's no dream for me? What would what would you tell that person? Well, I don't think it's that easy. I mean, it's finding your passion. A lot of people don't know what their passion is. So that's, you know, delving in deep to what makes you happy. And I think that's the hardest part. And then trying to figure out, is there something I can do in this field where this would be my job, which would be great, you know, or am I really good at something? Can I help a lot of people doing something? I think that's really rewarding. I mean, who doesn't feel good when they help people? So that's another thing where if you don't know your passion, maybe start doing that and that can lead you in a direction. So I think, you know, figuring out what makes you happy is is the top of the list and then kind of just build on that. And like I said, I have I love mentoring these young female athletes and building their confidence up so they can achieve great things and give back. And then I love these travel experiences and I love planning trips for for other people, too. So these are kind of my passions and I do a little of both. But I haven't done what you've done in, like, really gone all in on a three day weekend, which I love. I'd love to work shorter during my week. I'm actually cutting down workdays as we speak and opening up my weekends and say I get thirty requests a week for weekend training. I say, no, I'm not doing it. I'm being with my family, we're going to do this. And because I kept saying yes, because I didn't want to say no, but oh my gosh. Now that I said no, I'm so much happier. That's awesome. I'm so happy to hear that that is so great. Yeah, it's, you know, gosh, I can only imagine for what you've achieved and what you do and who you are. I mean, you're you're going to always have somebody asking you so, you know just what you're going to do to shape that. Thank you so much. Where can people find out a little bit more about you? We'll put the links inside the comments and club. Yeah. So for right now, maybe just reach out to me on LinkedIn. I'm also very active on Instagram at Holly McPeak know TVB because there's one of those to add Holly McPeak or LinkedIn and I'm going to try and get more active on those. So when I actually do, maybe I do both of them, both my passions can be good and then coach in the middle. But, you know, it's what makes me happy. So it's not really work. So I would recommend those two. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. This has been as a volleyball geek. This has been such a pleasure, but also. There's very few people I've met that are. Ridiculously successful. In their sport, enjoy the process, get to be world class and after the process, they're still enjoying life, still enjoying it, like there's so many things. And so that tells me that what you've said is true. You're a student of life, that you didn't just, you know, one trick pony is like, OK, I'm just going to do this the whole way. I'm going to learn. So congrats on that again. Thank you so much for your time. And what I want to do is just real quick, share a couple of things here. Just some of the feedback. I think you saw some of it. So Danny had mentioned he got to watch you practice on his walks through Hermosa in Manhattan, where he used to live in Redondo. So, Danny, he's awesome. He's going to be on the podcast sometime soon. But yeah, thank you so much for your inspiration for what you're doing. I'm looking forward to what you're doing, whatever you're doing. I'm going to be looking to share it with my daughter so that she can be inspired by it and to share with my son so he can hopefully even understand just different perspectives on things. You and I talked about the coaching of guys like Go, Go Girls. It's like different approach. And as a coach learning, OK, what can I say? When can I say when am I allowed to say it? And that sort of stuff and not in set in a very respectful way. I just understand. How do I know, how do I tap into what that person is and where they're at. So thank you so much for joining us today, Holly. Hope you have an awesome week. And I look forward to hearing more about what's going on on your weekends. And I've been following your your your Instagram account and seeing a lot of that. So looking forward to seeing more of that there. Thank you so much for coming out. Thanks for having me and good luck. Awesome. Thank you.